Curse

Valens · Jun 16, 2007, 10:44 PM // 22:44

First off, let me say I am not thrilled about the changes made to the way Faction transfer is now handled. Being the leader of a Faction Farming Alliance, we used to keep track of faction donations by having our members send in weekly screenshots of their Kurzick title as proof of donating their share (usually 10K/day) to the guild to keep the Alliance strong. We had to do this to keep amber farmers out of our alliance since we were all about owning a town, and gaining high level Kurzick titles, and NOT trading for personal wealth. With the introduction of this new update, it will be very difficult to track member donations since amber and these new skills now count toward your faction title. I will deal with these new updates as we have dealt with others (like scrolls which make HzH and Cavalon just another town), but have a problem with an exploit which can seriously advance a members title twice as fast as it should normally take.

I realize I am in the minority here having my Savior of the Kurzicks for the past couple months, but I spent several hours per day over 8 months to earn my title, and now it seems members can do the same amount of work, and get it in 4 months by creating a level 1 character, buying a skill for 3K faction (receiving 6K toward their title), delete the character, recreate the character, and buy the skill again spending 3K, receive another 6K. I also think it is ridiculous that I have a level 3 paragon who has a skill that does +40 damage (plus gives adrenaline). Apparently, if you have more than 10 million Faction on your title, you gain a larger bonus since the skill says it caps at +36 damage.

If these skills are to be a part of the game now, I would like to see them available only after you have completed the Befriending the Kurzick/Luxon quest. This way, a low level character with a high level Kurzick title doesn't have a god-like skill, and Kurzick/Luxon titles are gained at the same rate they have been from the start.

As I have said earlier, I will accept and deal with the challenges this new update is going to do to our alliance, and many other alliances, but don't like the fact a level 1 character has access to these skills, and can exploit them to quickly advance the title.

~~Valens

kooomar · Jun 17, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

QQ, shouldn't you be happy that people can get the max a TINY bit faster now, instead of whining about it? I agree, it sucls for the people that weren't able to get amber for their 10 million, but it also sucks for the chest runners that did it before titles were available, and for people that hit level 20 and left pre before LDoA, and for the people that ided 10k before Source of Wisdom, and the people that dies before survivor was available. Man, life sure does suck doesnt it...

Orphan Anthem · Jun 17, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

wait, dont you NEED HvH to buy kurz/luxon skill's?

Spazzer · Jun 17, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Yes. I have been abusing this faction exploit. 3k is easier to get than 5k, and the 6k from the 3k is more rewarding.

Look on the bright side, Valens. Everyone will still pay you 1250g for your lockpicks.

TempusReborn · Jun 17, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Sorry what is this exploit - you can only buy a kurzick skill if u have 100k already...

Orphan Anthem · Jun 17, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

100k kurz is account wide so every newly made char has 100k kurz

GodofAcid · Jun 17, 2007, 02:55 AM // 02:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by kooomar

QQ, shouldn't you be happy that people can get the max a TINY bit faster now, instead of whining about it? I agree, it sucls for the people that weren't able to get amber for their 10 million, but it also sucks for the chest runners that did it before titles were available, and for people that hit level 20 and left pre before LDoA, and for the people that ided 10k before Source of Wisdom, and the people that dies before survivor was available. Man, life sure does suck doesnt it...

Although not worded in the kindest way, I agree with the substance of this post. Every time there's a change that makes something easier, there are people who look past that fact and say "We want more". A good example is the other thread where the people who knowingly used their faction for amber now want titles to go along with it, because now they feel short-changed.. they refuse to look at it as "Now I get credit toward my title as well as the amber, so I'm getting more than I did before"; they made a choice, and their reward was a piece of amber, and they KNEW THAT when they made that decision. But no, they'd rather complain that not everything was handed to them on a silver platter. I'm sorry that you feel that your title was cheapened, but it's not the first time this type of change has been made and it won't be the last. You worked hard to get your title, and to get your alliance to the point that it's at, and I hope you realize that's what's important in all of this. This was a small change, and you won't have r12s all over the place any time soon, nor would I imagine this is any threat to your alliance being surpassed. May sound harsh, but alot of people in this game need to learn to suck it up and move on. I'm glad you said you'll be doing that, I wish others would learn to do the same. I'm sure if people begin exploiting a loophole, it will be addressed, hopefully sooner than later. They recently changed a beginner quest reward that was apparently being exploited for easy money. This is something I hadn't even heard about, and the fact that Anet had and responded accordingly gives me confidence that they're at least trying to be on top of these things.

Things happen, it's part of life. Choose your fights wisely. When people nitpick over every little change, it makes Anet less likely to listen to us when it really is a big deal.

Engel the Fallen · Jun 17, 2007, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Anet Should Do A Rollback Or Ban The Exploiters.

Swift Thief · Jun 17, 2007, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Well, you guys own HvH? Aren't you guys like 20+ million ahead of any other alliance? Just chill. Also, think about it. You are in competition with these other alliances. Those guilds usually require 5K per day (too much for me) and if your alliance has exploiters, these other alliances will also have them.

To Engel: Are you stupid? Rollback would be way too stupid for something this silly. Also, these "exploiters" don't deserve a ban. They are breaking alliance rules, not Guild Wars rules. Unless you were joking.

-Loki- · Jun 17, 2007, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Vindexus made it for the old UAX argument, but I believe swapping 'unlock all my skills' with 'grind my title', it's fitting for this argument.

FoxBat · Jun 17, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Nonetheless, if you need to use a "trick" to double your faction... it's an exploit.

Unfortunately you know the easy fix Anet would do... is remove the rewards NPC from the guild hall.

Swift Thief · Jun 17, 2007, 03:59 AM // 03:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

Nonetheless, if you need to use a "trick" to double your faction... it's an exploit.

Unfortunately you know the easy fix Anet would do... is remove the rewards NPC from the guild hall.

It's not an exploit. ANet put it in their game. They put it in the update notes and they know about it. Also, what would removing the rewards NPC from the guild hall do? That is a horrible idea.

vaxmor · Jun 17, 2007, 04:23 AM // 04:23

is this a spl0it?

FoxBat · Jun 17, 2007, 04:49 AM // 04:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

It's not an exploit. ANet put it in their game. They put it in the update notes and they know about it.

Tell me where the update notes say "you gain 6k towards your faction title while only spending 3K on a skill. "

Miral · Jun 17, 2007, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

Vindexus made it for the old UAX argument, but I believe swapping 'unlock all my skills' with 'grind my title', it's fitting for this argument.

haha i love it, too true. the standard elitist attitude. "i worked through all the horrible broken stuff to get where I am, why should people just now working on the same stuff get bug fixes? OMGWTFBBQ"

Drop of Fear · Jun 17, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

Tell me where the update notes say "you gain 6k towards your faction title while only spending 3K on a skill. "

definition of exploit: something is not meant to be in the game.
when u buy a kurzick skill the tranfer window tells that u will receive a 6k bonus in your track, ergo is not an exploit.
period.

Marth Reynolds · Jun 17, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

QFT, as i see it they added the bonus so that people with lower faction donated can get a higher tier faster.

And just like others said you have acces to a discount merchant and can sell bundles of lockpicks with profit.... what are you complaining about?

Valens · Jun 17, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

The exploit is the fact that you can Farm or AB 9K faction on a lvl 20 character, create a level 1 character, map to your GH and talk to the faction rewards guy, buy 3 skills (which cost 9K Faction) to get 18K faction toward your title. When you have all 10 skills, you can delete the character and do it over again, and always get double the faction on your title.

If thats what Anet intended then fine, I just told you how to max out your Kurzick/Luxon title twice as fast.

Please be nice to us new forum posters who are not new to the game, and have fun,

~~Valens

Firebaall · Jun 17, 2007, 08:48 AM // 08:48

I suppose you have a problem with people earning high Lightbringer points in HM too? How unfair to those that had max LB before HM!!!

I mean heck...well most of the ppl running around with max LB before HM exploited that too. Heh.

Enko · Jun 17, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

tbh, i didn't even know about the 6k thing until i read this . ..